Stacey

What is the difference? ;) i'm confused.
stacey:)

Kathleen Gehrke

--- In [email protected], "Stacey" <alabtu@...> wrote:
>
> What is the difference? ;) i'm confused.
> stacey:)
>
Radically unschooled for me means that unschooling philosophy extends
to every part of your life with your child/children, including
bedtimes, food, and other issues mainstream parents want to mandate.
It goes beyond traditional thoughts of education to the plan that the
world is a classroom. It is trust based belief that children will
gather the information they need. Trust that children are naturally
curious and capable if supported and given the information they are
requesting.

Always unschooled means that the children have never been parented or
educated with other than an unschooling philosophy.

And eclectic homeschooling means that a complete curriculum is
derived from a smattering of different curriculums.

At least all of those are my understanding.


Thanks it was fun for me to really think about it in other than an
intuitive sense.


Kathleen

JRossedd

Stacey asks:
What is the difference? ;) i'm confused.
**************

I use "radical" to emphasize that unschooling is our family's lifestyle,
not just a learning method for the kids or a philosophical approach to
academic work.

I use "always" to mean that my children were never enrolled in
school(often this makes a difference in what's being discussed.)

I used "eclectic" a lot in the early years when I was still figuring
things out. I don't use it much anymore for "unschooling" but I do for
mixed groups of home education families with different types of
homeschoolers and also unschoolers, all in one.

So these are each distinct and useful adjectives to me, and I might
conceivably use them all at once in a certain context to describe our
unschooling, without being redundant. But like most words and meanings
nowadays, it seems to me that these aren't universally used and
understood the same way by everyone. . .
JJ

Stacey

Thanks for your help! think i got it;)
stacey
>
> --- In [email protected], "Stacey" <alabtu@> wrote:
> >
> > What is the difference? ;) i'm confused.
> > stacey:)
> >
> Radically unschooled for me means that unschooling philosophy
extends
> to every part of your life with your child/children, including
> bedtimes, food, and other issues mainstream parents want to
mandate.
> It goes beyond traditional thoughts of education to the plan that
the
> world is a classroom. It is trust based belief that children will
> gather the information they need. Trust that children are naturally
> curious and capable if supported and given the information they are
> requesting.
>
> Always unschooled means that the children have never been parented
or
> educated with other than an unschooling philosophy.
>
> And eclectic homeschooling means that a complete curriculum is
> derived from a smattering of different curriculums.
>
> At least all of those are my understanding.
>
>
> Thanks it was fun for me to really think about it in other than an
> intuitive sense.
>
>
> Kathleen
>

Adrean Clark

Isn't radical also called whole life unschooling? (I think a more
descriptive label would reduce recoil effects?)

Adrean



On 3/19/08, Stacey <alabtu@...> wrote:
> Thanks for your help! think i got it;)
> stacey
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Stacey" <alabtu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What is the difference? ;) i'm confused.
> > > stacey:)
> > >
> > Radically unschooled for me means that unschooling philosophy
> extends
> > to every part of your life with your child/children, including
> > bedtimes, food, and other issues mainstream parents want to
> mandate.
> > It goes beyond traditional thoughts of education to the plan that
> the
> > world is a classroom. It is trust based belief that children will
> > gather the information they need. Trust that children are naturally
> > curious and capable if supported and given the information they are
> > requesting.
> >
> > Always unschooled means that the children have never been parented
> or
> > educated with other than an unschooling philosophy.
> >
> > And eclectic homeschooling means that a complete curriculum is
> > derived from a smattering of different curriculums.
> >
> > At least all of those are my understanding.
> >
> >
> > Thanks it was fun for me to really think about it in other than an
> > intuitive sense.
> >
> >
> > Kathleen
> >
>
>
>

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diana jenner

> Radical/Always/Eclectic Unschooling
>

It's important to know that the term "Radical Unschooling" is a term used
first by folks who unschool academically and don't necessarily apply the
same principles to Whole Life -- kind of a *snarky* term :) It's been
re-claimed, sorta, though I don't like to use it to describe our life (it's
redundant, I'd be Radical no matter *what* I was doing :::vbg:::) I prefer
Whole Life Learners or Whole Life Unschoolers instead.
The one group I belong to entitled Radical Unschoolers is one that combines
our Unchooling lifestyle with the Law of Attraction
<http://thesecret.tv>(that's pretty Radical among even Unschoolers
::bg::), I don't mind the term
as it applies there.

Always Unschooled <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/> is an
actual support group (I witnessed it's birth at Live and
Learn<http://liveandlearnconference.org>2004!) for parents who have AP
(Attachment Parenting) principles in place
and want to continue that kind of parenting all through the child's life.
Parents who plan to keep their kids out of school and lead principle driven
lives.

Eclectic *unschooling* is a term for folks who claim to be unschooling
"except for math and ___________" (which really doesn't uphold the
unschooling principles of trust that humans *do* learn, hence is *not*
considered unschooling). Eclectic "homeschooler" is more accurate.

--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com


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swissarmy_wife

--- In [email protected], "diana jenner"
<hahamommy@...> wrote:

> It's important to know that the term "Radical Unschooling" is a term
used
> first by folks who unschool academically and don't necessarily apply the
> same principles to Whole Life -- kind of a *snarky* term :)

Actually, I've heard quite the opposite. That the term Radical
Unschooling applies to life learners rather than academic only
unschoolers. I've never considered it "snarky" either.

-Heather

JJ Ross

I must be "radical" then and more "eclectic" than I thought, because
long before 2004 and that group, I was using "always" (back in the
last century!) ;-)-- to mean simply that my child had always
unschooled, as in never had been sent to SCHOOL, thus hadn't the usual
deschooling issues.



--- In [email protected], "diana jenner"
<hahamommy@...> wrote:
>

> Always Unschooled is an
> actual support group (I witnessed its birth at Live and
> Learn 2004!) for parents who have AP
> (Attachment Parenting) principles in place
> and want to continue that kind of parenting all through the child's
life.

diana jenner

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear : It was a term used by Academic Unschoolers
to describe Whole Life Unchoolers as in, "I'm an unschooler and they're
*Radical* unschoolers" -- I guess this means I've been around a loooong
time, as I remember when it was a new term and not so nice... I'm glad the
reclamation is working :)

(just as the term Lutheran was a snarky term used by the Catholic Church to
describe catholics who supported Martin Luther and has now grown into
something else altogether -- to compare this historically)

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:43 PM, swissarmy_wife <heatherbean@...>
wrote:

> --- In [email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "diana jenner"
> <hahamommy@...> wrote:
> > It's important to know that the term "Radical Unschooling" is a term
> used
> > first by folks who unschool academically and don't necessarily apply the
> > same principles to Whole Life -- kind of a *snarky* term :)
>
> Actually, I've heard quite the opposite. That the term Radical
> Unschooling applies to life learners rather than academic only
> unschoolers. I've never considered it "snarky" either.
>
>
>



--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com


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swissarmy_wife

--- In [email protected], "diana jenner"
<hahamommy@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry I wasn't more clear : It was a term used by Academic
Unschoolers
> to describe Whole Life Unchoolers as in, "I'm an unschooler and they're
> *Radical* unschoolers"

Got it! That makes sense.

Ren Allen

~~That the term Radical
Unschooling applies to life learners rather than academic only
unschoolers. I've never considered it "snarky" either.~~

That's what she was saying....it was a term used by folks that DON'T
apply unschooling to all of life, as a way to jab at those that DO.

Happily, radically unschooling here...

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Pamela Sorooshian

On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:08 PM, diana jenner wrote:

> It's important to know that the term "Radical Unschooling" is a term
> used
> first by folks who unschool academically and don't necessarily apply
> the
> same principles to Whole Life -- kind of a *snarky* term :)

Ya think?

I don't remember it that way....I think "I" might have even been the
first or at least one of the first to use the term radical unschooling
- it was an adjective I liked to use to describe whole-life
unschooling - it wasn't yet a "thing," itself. I remember people
telling me they didn't think it was a good term to use, that it would
"turn people off" and that the word "radical" had a negative political
stigma, that it meant rebellious and overly extremist and stuff like
that. I remember saying that they needed to look it up - it was a
GREAT word - it has to do with getting to the "root" of things -
fundamental and thorough.

So - really - I think "we" used it first, got flak for it, and kept it.
-pam



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barefootmamax4

While we are throwing around terms and definitions..how about "natural
learning"?
-Kelly
who's kids were always homeschooled,but not always unschooled!

[email protected]

I really like Danielle Conger's term, "Organic Learning." It's just so
positive and descriptive---and...organic. <g>

But I'm perfectly happy with unschooling.

~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org

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From: barefootmamax4 <barefootmamax4@...>


While we are throwing around terms and definitions..how about "natural
learning"?
-Kelly
who's kids were always homeschooled,but not always unschooled!