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Veggie Tales!

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On Jul 21, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Kendrah Nilsestuen wrote:
> Is
> their a certain cartoon or movie that a 4 y/o girl may enjoy?

My 3yo boy really enjoys Charlie and Lola--very sweet stories about a
little girl and her big brother.

Both my kids have been liking Higglytown Heroes. There's a character
who's very patronizing of children, which bugs me, but they like the
show.

My kids both love Little Mammoth Videos: The Big Park, The Big Plane
Trip, The Big Submarine, The Big Zoo, The Big Aquarium, and so on.
Very high-quality non-fiction videos.

Su

rn9302000

My kids like Charlie and Lola too,
My 3 yo ds also likes Wonderpets, Max and Ruby, Care Bears, thomas the
tank videos, and Dora and Diego. oh and JayJay the Jet Plane.
Diane


--- In [email protected], Kendrah Nilsestuen
<carebear-79@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We are a TV free household as of now. My Payge is 4 and she
> occasionally watches videos (usually of cats) on Youtube and we have
> one DVD of a Care Bears cartoon that she requests sometimes to watch
> on the computer. This week she told me she'd like to get a different
> DVD to watch from the library. I went to the library yesterday (she
> wasn't interested in going with) and realized I'm so out of the
> entertainment loop I didn't even know what to get her to watch. Is
> their a certain cartoon or movie that a 4 y/o girl may enjoy? I ended
> up getting a cartoon called Miss Spider's sunny patch kids. Not sure
> if this would be of interest to a 4 y/o but the cover looked cute,
> lol! I know each child is different but I figure their have to be
> some favorites for this age group. Thanks in advance for the
> suggestions.
>
> Kendrah
>

Ren Allen

~~Veggie Tales!~~

These are Christian in nature....in case you care.

Ren
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mauratracy

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--- In [email protected], "rn9302000" <rn930@...> wrote:
>
> My kids like Charlie and Lola too,
> My 3 yo ds also likes Wonderpets, Max and Ruby, Care Bears, thomas the
> tank videos, and Dora and Diego. oh and JayJay the Jet Plane.
> Diane
>
>
> --- In [email protected], Kendrah Nilsestuen
> <carebear-79@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > We are a TV free household as of now. My Payge is 4 > >

Su Penn

Oh, and Kipper.

Su

On Jul 21, 2007, at 11:55 PM, rn9302000 wrote:

> My kids like Charlie and Lola too,
> My 3 yo ds also likes Wonderpets, Max and Ruby, Care Bears, thomas the
> tank videos, and Dora and Diego. oh and JayJay the Jet Plane.
> Diane

Mara

I would highly recommend the ,Little Bear' series.
Very sweet and mostly quite 'unschooly'. And Curious
George. Both my kids like those a lot (almost 3 and
almost 6). My older one used to watch Little Bear at
lot when he was around 4 but still likes it sometimes
and they both love Curious George.
And the younger one likes Dora and Diego -
Mara

--- rn9302000 <rn930@...> wrote:

> My kids like Charlie and Lola too,
> My 3 yo ds also likes Wonderpets, Max and Ruby, Care
> Bears, thomas the
> tank videos, and Dora and Diego. oh and JayJay the
> Jet Plane.
> Diane
>
>
> --- In [email protected], Kendrah
> Nilsestuen
> <carebear-79@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > We are a TV free household as of now. My Payge is
> 4 and she
> > occasionally watches videos (usually of cats) on
> Youtube and we have
> > one DVD of a Care Bears cartoon that she requests
> sometimes to watch
> > on the computer. This week she told me she'd like
> to get a different
> > DVD to watch from the library. I went to the
> library yesterday (she
> > wasn't interested in going with) and realized I'm
> so out of the
> > entertainment loop I didn't even know what to get
> her to watch. Is
> > their a certain cartoon or movie that a 4 y/o girl
> may enjoy? I ended
> > up getting a cartoon called Miss Spider's sunny
> patch kids. Not sure
> > if this would be of interest to a 4 y/o but the
> cover looked cute,
> > lol! I know each child is different but I figure
> their have to be
> > some favorites for this age group. Thanks in
> advance for the
> > suggestions.
> >
> > Kendrah
> >
>
>
>




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On 7/21/07, Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> ~~Veggie Tales!~~
>
> These are Christian in nature....in case you care.
> .
>
>
As a mom who thought for sure she'd care :::bg::: We LOVE Veggie Tales -- I
may have to dig out Dave and the Giant Pickle (David and Goliath) it's our
family's faaaaaavorite!
-=-
The makers have this really cool philosophy about children and their
disillusionment about love. Elmo says he loves you, Barney says he loves
you... then kids discover they're not real beings and neither is their love
and kids begin to question all the love that's been offered them. The
characters in the cartoons never express their love for the audience and
they mention at the end, "Now remember kids, God made you special and He
loves you very much"
They're not overtly selling their kind of faith, some *really* funny spins
on Old Testament folklore mixed in with some non-biblical morality (Madame
Blueberry's episode is about Stuff Mart, and another about Fear/Faith).
Between the episodes, there's a hilarious little break with Larry the
Cucumber...
-=-=-
Now I got the songs running through my head :)
God is bigger than the boogie man, he's bigger than Godzilla or the monsters
on TV...
--
~diana :)
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:: anne | arun ::

Our dd now 5 yrs old has loved watching the Wiggles, Hi 5 (both oz
shows) plus Angelina Ballerina, Elmo stuff, Bob the Builder, Fireman
Sam, Postman Pat... and has loved some movies such as Charlie & the
Chocolate Factory, Monsters Inc and Hoodwinked.

For the record my personal favourites are the movies mentioned above
(especially Hoodwinked), Bob the Builder (love the one where he
builds an entire eco village) and the Wiggles Movie with Wally the
Magician (its a classic and really lets Dorothy the Dinosaur play a
full range of emotions... although Space Wiggles also has some great
plot points and character insights...hmmmmm, so hard to choose!) ;)

arun

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diana jenner

On 7/22/07, :: anne | arun :: <life@...> wrote:
>
> Bob the Builder (love the one where he
> builds an entire eco village)
>
>
>


Elton John is in the Bob the Builder's Christmas Special... in case anyone
besides me cares ;)
He's also in the Country Bear Movie ::::vbg::::
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
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Julian will be 5 in September. He likes a lot of shows, and most are
available for rentals I think...

Fetch With Ruff Ruffman and Maya and Miguel - both are aimed at older kids,
like 8+ I think, but he loves them, so I thought I'd add that in there.

Little Bear, I agree is very unschooly. We also love that show!

Schooly ones he likes are Franklin and The Berenstain Bears and Cailliou.

Blue's Clues is one he and his little sister like (she actually is the
biggest Caillou fan I've seen, lol), and I like it because Blue is a girl, Mr.
Salt and Mrs. Pepper are a great couple and there are other little do-dads that
are non gender specific which I like :)

We like Mr. Rogers, too. Julian is just starting to really enjoy it.

Oobie. Wow, at first I thought it was odd, but I am now so in love with that
show! Bare-handed puppets with simple language. "Granpoo" is DEF. a hippy in
disguise ;) His respect towards the musicians is apparent in his tone and the
sad way he shakes his head at the business person makes me laugh each time.
We all love that show here, lol...

Basically, we spend most of our TV time with Noggin when it comes to kid
shos. No toy commercials- I love that. Even less than what PBS does, they have
sponsers with non-adds, lol, but Noggin's are fewer, and this is an important
factor to me - though I know this is for a TV free family, I just wanted to
mention that. We also watch selected programs about space and weather, as
Julian is really interested in those things and we also watch many of the cooking
shows on FoodNetwork. I'd bet that there are cooking shows rentable, perhaps
even aimed at kids. Alton Brown is a HUGE hit for the most part (Julian gets
scared of the costuming that goes on at times), but his favorite is Rachel
Ray, lol!

anyway...lol...um yeah, so those are my suggestions ;)

Karen



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j50yab

Have you considered any non-fiction? I have no idea what girls like -
horses maybe??? But my son at that age could watch hours and hours of
tractors, trains and sheepdogs. Sarah

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-----Original Message-----
From: diana jenner <hahamommy@...>

The makers have this really cool philosophy about children and their
disillusionment about love. Elmo says he loves you, Barney says he loves
you... then kids discover they're not real beings and neither is their
love
and kids begin to question all the love that's been offered them.

-=-=-=-


What's the difference? I mean the "real being" part. Children can see
and feel Barney and Elmo. They can buy small replicas of them in the
toy department and hug and talk to them. What makes God more real to
children? How does a child *know* that God loves him but question
Barney's love? I don't get that.

-=-=-=-=-=-

The characters in the cartoons never express their love for the
audience
-=-=-

And this is good because...?

-=-=-=-=-=-

and they mention at the end, "Now remember kids, God made you special
and He
loves you very much"

-=-=-=-=-

And Barney says, "Now remember kids, you ARE special and are loved very
much."

-=-=-=-=-=-

They're not overtly selling their kind of faith,

-=-=-=-=-=-

I think that's EXACTLY what they are doing. Hell...and even if they
weren't *overtly* doing it---why is covertly better?

(Maybe for children is not obvious, but to me it's blatant.)

-=-=-=-=-

God is bigger than the boogie man, he's bigger than Godzilla or the
monsters
on TV...

-=-=-=-==-=-

Not to a child. All are as real and as big as a child wants them to be.



~Kelly

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In a message dated 7/22/2007 2:24:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

and they mention at the end, "Now remember kids, God made you special
and He
loves you very much"

-=-=-=-=-

And Barney says, "Now remember kids, you ARE special and are loved very
much."

-=-=-=-=-=-


Personally, I prefer Mr. Roger's ending of his show:

"You know, you made this day a really special day. By just you're being you.
There's only one person in the world like you. And I happen to like you just
the way you are."

I think I have that right - it might be slightly off. Also, his You Are
Special song is awfully. Nice.

Barney makes my teeth hurt with sweetness and the homogenous atmosphere and
Veggie Tales have a Christian slant - we are not Christian. But to each their
own! :)




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-----Original Message-----
From: Kidgie@...

Personally, I prefer Mr. Roger's ending of his show:

"You know, you made this day a really special day. By just you're being
you.
There's only one person in the world like you. And I happen to like you
just
the way you are."

-=-=-=-

Yeah---but Mr. Rogers was REAL---as in flesh and blood and you could
meet the real man in person. He wasn't an imaginary being.

I agree: his message is wonderful, but my objection was the real vs the
imaginary bit.


~Kelly

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On 7/22/07, kbcdlovejo@... <kbcdlovejo@...> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diana jenner <hahamommy@... <hahamommy%40gmail.com>>
>
> The makers have this really cool philosophy about children and their
> disillusionment about love. Elmo says he loves you, Barney says he loves
> you... then kids discover they're not real beings and neither is their
> love
> and kids begin to question all the love that's been offered them.
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> What's the difference? I mean the "real being" part. Children can see
> and feel Barney and Elmo. They can buy small replicas of them in the
> toy department and hug and talk to them. What makes God more real to
> children? How does a child *know* that God loves him but question
> Barney's love? I don't get that.
>



















***When my kids were young, I had issues with love coming from a puppet...
kinda creeped *me* out, to express love to someone you can't even know in
anyway because you're in the television and I'm at home.
I find *God* less offensive as I can interpret that word to make sense in
our world (even as a non-christian), God was something we talked about all
the time.

The characters in the cartoons never express their love for the
> audience
> -=-=-
>
> And this is good because...?
>







***Because they can't, they're drawings :)

> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> and they mention at the end, "Now remember kids, God made you special
> and He loves you very much"
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> And Barney says, "Now remember kids, you ARE special and are loved very
> much."
>











***After singing "I love You, You love Me, we're a happy family"
We don't have big purple dinosaurs in our family (well maybe waaaaaay back,
but not currently ;)

> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> They're not overtly selling their kind of faith,
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> I think that's EXACTLY what they are doing. Hell...and even if they
> weren't *overtly* doing it---why is covertly better?
>
> (Maybe for children is not obvious, but to me it's blatant.)
>












***They're careful to only talk about God, so it is inter-faith language.
Jesus was never mentioned in the episodes I watched (which, in my head,
would make it overtly Christian). They're careful to use Christian
*principles* without immersion into doctrine or creed. The tales were either
made up (as in Madame Blueberry) or from the Old Testament (Dave and the
Giant Pickle, Esther)
I suppose I wouldn't recommend them to atheists maybe, but I've passed them
along to non-christian friends and they've been received well because of the
lack of Jesus Only messages.

> -=-=-=-=-
>
> God is bigger than the boogie man, he's bigger than Godzilla or the
> monsters
> on TV...
>
> -=-=-=-==-=-
>
> Not to a child. All are as real and as big as a child wants them to be.
>











***It's a really fun song! That's why it stuck in my head :) It's still fun
to sing Grateful Dead when you're not on acid, it's fun to sing these songs
even if you don't believe in the same version of God :D
Silly Songs with Larry - that's what that interlude is called! They're just
that: Silly Songs. So even if the God message turns you off, take a listen
to Larry... with an empty bladder ;) I just checked, they're on YouTube, so
you can watch them for free! Here's I Love My
Lips<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxR-ZRI8IpI>another Larry Classic
:)

>
--
~diana :)
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In a message dated 7/22/2007 3:36:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

-=-=-=-

Yeah---but Mr. Rogers was REAL---as in flesh and blood and you could
meet the real man in person. He wasn't an imaginary being.

I agree: his message is wonderful, but my objection was the real vs the
imaginary bit.


Of course. Sometimes my head is in the clouds :) I just went off on the
message idea, lol, not so much the one that sent it. Point taken, my friend!

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Ren Allen

~~The
characters in the cartoons never express their love for the audience and
they mention at the end, "Now remember kids, God made you special and He
loves you very much"~~
They're not overtly selling their kind of faith~~

Those two statement above are contradictory.

None of my kids had ANY problem knowing that Elmo and Barney and
Mr.Rogers didn't really know them and were speaking to a tv audience.
Big deal.

I think Veggie Tales is extremely Christian and being NON-Christian in
every way myself it is annoying. Some other parents might find the
indoctrination aspects annoying also. I have no doubt that my kids can
watch and enjoy them and still decide for themselves on these issues,
but I certainly am not giving my money to the videos unless one of my
children were intensely interested.

My kids can SEE Barney and Elmo and Mr. Rogers (who was a very real
live person that loved children) but God? Nope.

There are so many great videos for kids that don't try to preach to
them. I can't STAND the moralizing factor, as though children can't
learn through living but need some kind of "lesson" disguised as a
cute video. Yuck.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Ren Allen

~~***They're careful to only talk about God, so it is inter-faith
language. Jesus was never mentioned in the episodes I watched ~~


You know what? Even when I was a bonafide Christian I couldn't STAND
veggie tales. All that moralizing and "how to be a good person" stuff
bugged the crap out of me!! If they bothered my as a Christian, I'm
sure you can imagine how much they bug me now.

If my kids liked them, fine.
But my kids are pretty sensitive to being preached and moralized at. phew.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Kelly

Backyardigans is a favorite round here. Wonderpets is fun, and the music is
terrific - done by real orchestra, what a rarity! Pinky Dinky Doo is a
really good, creative cartoon. Wow Wow Wubbzy is a very sweet cartoon about
three very different friends. Kipper is a must-see in our opinion! Very
gentle characters. I love Miss Spiders Sunny Patch. My daughter loves
Caillou, but I'm sorry we ever let the little monster into the house. She
learned 3 things from Caillou: how to whine in earnest; how to get under
someone's skin by calling them "stupid;" and how to express her
upset/frustration/anger by saying "bad -_________(mommy, daddy, Clio - the
dog, Pippa - the baby sister, friends," you name it. I'm sure she'll grow
out of it, but, jeez. Cyber Chase is a math-centered cartoon meant for older
kids, but it is her latest favorite, and she really is starting to
understand some of the math concepts they present.



Have fun!



Kelly



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beanmommy2

My daughters are currently four and six. My older one used to get
scared of many VeggieTales videos ... other than that, both of them got
bored by the ones that tell a story. They did the VT Sing-a-Longs,
especially the younger girl.

The both loved several Disney Sing-a-Long song videos. They have a
Travel channel video about Disney World that they like.

They love Caillou. Barney and the Wiggles have been very popular.
Lately the discoved Electric Company, but I don't think they like it
quite as much as I do. :)

They also like a show they've seen at my parents' (we don't have cable
here) called Ubi ... a hand puppet or something. And JoJos Circus.

Jenny

Lisa

My almost 6 yr old (wahhhhh my baby will be 6 on Friday!) loves
Diego, Dora, Franklin, Little Bear... he also likes the Wonder Pets
and some old standards like Sesame Street.

Someone was talking about schooly shows... Jack LOVES to watch some of
the Nick and Disney series that have a strong school focus like That's
So Raven, Drake and Josh, Wayside School, and his current favorite
is some show with a guy named Ned Bigby something about school
classified.. basically the kid is writing a guide to survive school
(how to deal with bullies, mean teachers etc ) Anyway these shows
fascinate him.. he has never been to school obviously so it's funny to
see him watch those and then he ALWAYS says he NEVER wants to go to
school! He is learning alot of vocabulary though since he is always
asking what certain things mean like "skipping class" , "teacher's
pet" , "detention" !

Our current giggle as a family is the cartoon "My Gym Partner is a
Monkey" where a little boy's last name is Lyon and gets changed in
the school system computer to "Lion" so he has to transfer to the
Animal school... whomever writes that one has one sick sense of humor
(and gee we enjoy it so much ! HA!) Of course our old standby to
mindless giggles is Spongebob.

Ok you weren't asking about shows that were educational were you? I
think I just listed a bunch of brain drain tv .. at least it's good
for a giggle!
Lisa Blocker

Meredith

Back when we just had videos/dvds and no reception we discovered alot
of other movies and shows by watching the trailers. We would never
have considered *Home on the Range* otherwise - no one we knew had
seen it, but oh, boy was that a hoot. Yodelling cattle rustlers and
dairy cows to the rescue!

Another option, if you can afford it, is a dvd service like netflix or
blockbuster - they have an option where you rate movies you've seen
already and they use those ratings to form a "recommended" list for
you. That was really handy for us.

Also, if you have a vcr as well as dvd player, dollar stores often
have lots of kid videos for cheap. Personally, I tend to rack up fines
at libraries, so buying or renting from a service is cheaper for me
than borrowing!

---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)

Meredith

--- In [email protected], "diana jenner"
<hahamommy@...> wrote:
>> ***They're careful to only talk about God, so it is inter-faith
language.

Its clearly monotheistic, though. In our house we have an atheist, an
agnostic polytheist and a non-theist, so we're happy to entertain the
idea that "God" is just as imaginary as Barney.

---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)

Kelli Traaseth

**Of course our old standby to
mindless giggles is Spongebob. **

And of course, Spongebob can also be thought of as not mindless. Just 5 minutes ago a medieval Spongebob episode came on. I love this episode <g> the kids and I have discussed a lot of history and related info based on cartoons. Another cartoon that comes to mind as sometimes thought of as mindless is Fairly Oddparents, but yet we actually learned history from that too. Does everyone know that George Washington never had wooden teeth? When we were in Washington DC going through Mount Vernon I heard someone say, "hey, lets go see George Washingtons wooden teeth", well, I was able to tell him that that is a myth. And I learned it from Fairly Oddparents :)

***Ok you weren't asking about shows that were educational were you? I
think I just listed a bunch of brain drain tv .. at least it's good
for a giggle!***

Ahh,, but I don't think TV shows will drain your brain. ;) It all counts. You can make amazing connections with all sorts of media -- from newspapers, and books to even Spongebob and Ed, Edd, and Eddy. It's just fun joyous learning!





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--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>> There are so many great videos for kids that don't try to preach
to
> them. I can't STAND the moralizing factor, as though children can't
> learn through living but need some kind of "lesson" disguised as a
> cute video. Yuck.
>

That's something that drives me nuts, too, but doesn't seem to phase
Morgan. She just looooves *Maggie and the Ferocious Beast* which I
find incredibly preachy - in a "lets teach the kids a lesson" way,
not a religious way. And "Wonder Pets" have a pretty
obvious "lesson" in each episode (not to mention their
slogan "what's gonna work? Team Work!") but she just eats that show
up and doesn't seem to take from it more than the idea that baby
animals can save the world as long as they are wearing capes ;)

> I have no doubt that my kids can
> watch and enjoy them and still decide for themselves on these
issues,
> but I certainly am not giving my money to the videos unless one of
my
> children were intensely interested.

This is one area where having reception has been really helpful. Mo
really can choose what to watch without my baggage getting involved.
I admit to distracting her from buying Dora videos in the past :(
Between tv and watching movie-trailers, she seems to get a pretty
good idea of what she wants to see.

---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)

Meredith

--- In [email protected], "Lisa" <jlblock01@...>
wrote:
>> Our current giggle as a family is the cartoon "My Gym Partner is a
> Monkey" where a little boy's last name is Lyon and gets changed in
> the school system computer to "Lion" so he has to transfer to the
> Animal school... whomever writes that one has one sick sense of
humor

That's one of Mo's favorites - its the only school-based show she
watches, I think. She doesn't like any of the live-action school
shows, but Ray likes some of those, so she's watched a few. She
won't have anything to do with "Wayside", which surprised me bc the
animation makes me think of "Fosters" and she loves that. The school
aspect seems to be what turns her off, though, and she'll scramble
frantically for the remote if it comes on and she's not expecting
it.

>Of course our old standby to
> mindless giggles is Spongebob.

What? Mindless?!? Spongebob plumbs the depths of irony and
satire...er, as it were. Some of the dialog is pretty sophisticated,
not to mention the undersea sight-gags. Its my favorite kind of
cartoon, actually - the kind that little kids and adults can watch
together and each get some fun out of it. Sometimes our whole family
watches Spongebob together - which is pretty impressive with the
differences in age and personality and sense of humor around here.
The only other show we all like to watch is Mythbusters.

---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)

Ren Allen

~~This is one area where having reception has been really helpful. Mo
really can choose what to watch without my baggage getting involved.~~

Yeah, same here.

We have cable and lots to choose from. So whether I like it or not has
very little to do with anything.:) I have to admit I'm glad nobody has
asked for Veggie Tales even though the boys enjoyed a few episodes at
a friends house when they were small.

Current favorites are "Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends", "Ed, Edd
and Eddy" and "Spongebob"....anything on Cartoon Network really.:)

I guess that's why I don't worry about purchasing videos. We've rented
from the library in the past and we use Blockbuster a lot. That, plus
cable leaves us purchasing only movies we really want to watch over
and over. Harry Potter for instance or LOTR. If we didn't have the
tv/cable available I would probably try to buy or rent more.

We had "The Wiggles" videos too (still have one or two around here)
which I find immensely aggravating but they brought a LOT of joy to my
younger two. They would clear the living room and dance with those for
hours. Very sweet. My baggage is definitely NOT their issue.:)

I think after years of escaping a cult-like religion I have baggage
that may never go away. My kids can fortunately explore all options
without that load. phew.

Ren
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In a message dated 7/22/2007 8:33:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
kelly@... writes:

Backyardigans is a favorite round here.
How could I have forgotten that show?! Backyardigans I enjoy too, but so do
the ids. A bit of gender specific stuff, but hey, good fun, good music, fun
characters.

Wonderpets is fun, and the music is
terrific - done by real orchestra, what a rarity!
I don't personally like the baby talk they use, but I agree on the usic and
the orchastra! Very cool, indeed, lol.

Pinky Dinky Doo is a
really good, creative cartoon.
Not bad! My kids have gotten into that too. They love Mr. Guinea Pig, :)

Wow Wow Wubbzy is a very sweet cartoon about
three very different friends.
That one makes me crazy, I admit to trying diversion! lol!

Kipper is a must-see in our opinion! Very
gentle characters. I love Miss Spiders Sunny Patch. My daughter loves
Caillou, but I'm sorry we ever let the little monster into the house. She
learned 3 things from Caillou: how to whine in earnest; how to get under
someone's skin by calling them "stupid;" and how to express her
upset/frustration/anger by saying "bad -_________(mommy, daddy, Clio - the
dog, Pippa - the baby sister, friends," you name it. I'm sure she'll grow
out of it, but, jeez.
Wow, we have had the total opposite happen. That's interesting, and not
surprising, that kids get different things from different shows. Julian has
become more patient with his little sister, and I it happened just after seeing a
few episodes in which Caillou was mean to his little sister. I've heard others
say the same withg about the whining, but not sir us, thank goodness.
Probably one reason I can stand the show, is that I'm not seeing any bad side
effects for us. Knock wood! lol! I'm sorry it was a negative thing for
ya'll...hopefully, it'll have an interesting and easy turn around and the "negative"
will become a "positive."

Cyber Chase is a math-centered cartoon meant for older
kids, but it is her latest favorite, and she really is starting to
understand some of the math concepts they present.
Yeah, Julian likes that too at times, but he's younger and - he is very
apprehensive around high excitement and anything with an unknown thrill.





Have fun!



Kelly
I'm really enjoying this conversation!
Karen





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