Sandra Dodd

For anyone who doesn't see an image, please click this link:

http://justaddlightandstir.blogspot.com/2013/08/dont-miss-it.html

I have two things to tie this two. One is that there will be a chat Wednesday about the dangers of the internet (fears around the internet, and confidence and advantages). http://chatnotes-unschooling.blogspot.com/2013/08/august-21-chat-on-dangers-of-internet.html

The other is that after a couple of people asking me about the images I choose for Just Add light, I wanted to use this one as an example. Maybe different people will take different things from it, and I would like to lay it out here, the text and the photo from Wednesday's post, to see what people can glean from the combination/juxtaposition of the two.

Don't miss it
"If I wasn't paying attention, and if I was afraid of the time Ethan spends at the computer, I would miss all of the creativity and learning happening. Worse still, Ethan might too, because my worry would become his burden."
�Karen James

http://SandraDodd.com/screentime
photo by Sandra Dodd

I took the photo of a flag on a boat in the Albert Dock in Liverpool in July.

Any speculations about what I was thinking, putting that with Karen James' quote?

Sandra






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Sylvia Woodman

I'll take a stab at it. What I love about this flag (and I'm not someone
who is any kind of expert on flags of other countries or ship flags etc) is
that there is a lot going on on this flag. It seems to be a combination of
at least 6 flags all connected by a symbol that looks sort of like a gear,
or a wheel or something from the far east or maybe...

The internet is like that middle symbol - a central location or portal, if
you will, that can "take you" to places through words, pictures, and images
all over the world.

It looks like there is a dragon on the flag in the lower right corner and
it reminds me of old maps where as they got to the edges of their "known
universe" the cartographers would put pictures of sea monsters and
sometimes even words that said things like "there monsters be...." A lot
of people feel that way about the internet - they have their areas of
comfort, Gmail, Yahoo, Facebook, Wikipedia, Amazon (not the
jungle/rainforest...) but know that if not careful you can click into
dangerous territory (sort of like taking a wrong turn and ending up lost in
a bad neighborhood late at night). A lot of parents fear the internet -
like it's a bad neighborhood filled with predators and pedophiles around
every corner, trolling xbox live games, giving out "free lives" on candy
crush saga and armor and supplies in World of Warcraft....

The flag also seems to be a loud noisy jumble of colors and patterns.
Computers can be that too. Sometimes my computer is a crazy quilt of text
and images and music and maps....right now I have seven windows open on
this laptop, The Just Add Light window with the picture of the flag, my
email, a wikipedia page on the history of the barber pole, two Youtube
video pages (one Minecraft walkthrough video, and a room tour put up by a
tween girl who is showing off her hamster cage and holiday decorations) a
map with directions to someplace in NY State, and Facebook. Those windows
do a pretty good job of covering time and space and people I know, close
friends and family, people who are living and dead, and some people I only
know through words and pictures, and pixels blinking on a screen.

Sylvia


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

> For anyone who doesn't see an image, please click this link:
>
> http://justaddlightandstir.blogspot.com/2013/08/dont-miss-it.html
>
> I have two things to tie this two. One is that there will be a chat
> Wednesday about the dangers of the internet (fears around the internet, and
> confidence and advantages).
> http://chatnotes-unschooling.blogspot.com/2013/08/august-21-chat-on-dangers-of-internet.html
>
> The other is that after a couple of people asking me about the images I
> choose for Just Add light, I wanted to use this one as an example. Maybe
> different people will take different things from it, and I would like to
> lay it out here, the text and the photo from Wednesday's post, to see what
> people can glean from the combination/juxtaposition of the two.
>
> Don't miss it
> "If I wasn't paying attention, and if I was afraid of the time Ethan
> spends at the computer, I would miss all of the creativity and learning
> happening. Worse still, Ethan might too, because my worry would become his
> burden."
> 揖aren James
>
> http://SandraDodd.com/screentime
> photo by Sandra Dodd
>
> I took the photo of a flag on a boat in the Albert Dock in Liverpool in
> July.
>
> Any speculations about what I was thinking, putting that with Karen James'
> quote?
>
> Sandra
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Karen

>>>>> Any speculations about what I was thinking, putting that with Karen James' quote?<<<<<

When I first saw it the other day, I thought, "Wow. That's a pretty colourful flag!" Now, that I look at it more closely, I see a lot of things going on in there. Things, that if I was planning a flag, I might not think should go together. If I was really attached to the style of the Canadian flag, or the Japanese flag, or the American flag, I might think this flag has too much going on. But, it's wonderfully complex. I don't think I, personally, can know everything that's going on in the flag--the relevance of everything. I'm not sure I need to know to enjoy it. I might want to know if I was to learn from it, however.

Karen.

Annie Regan

The flag seemed to have bits of national flags from a range of countries - and some bits that may or may not be from national flags, I didn't recognise them all. To me it seemed a wonderful connection of a whole lot of different bits of the world, and possibly a doorway to asking lots of questions, wondering why and how all those things were linked.

It reminded me of the way conversations can go here - something happens at our house or on TV and we say 'oh that's like….' and we talk about the similarities and differences of the two connected ideas. Or when we are browsing the internet and reading something and see a link and click that and then another… And end up somewhere completely different to where we started but there is a trail of connections leading us there.

And I didn't answer this question yesterday even though I immediately thought of all of the above because I was too nervous that I would get it completely wrong… I guess I still have some deschooling to do! (feeling braver this morning)

Annie

Sandra Dodd

I love all these ideas about the relationship between the flag and the quote. None of them are what I was thinking, but they're all just as valid!

I'm going to discuss it in the chat on Wednesday, so any more connections or ideas would be very welcome. One thing I was thinking is that some people might think that having a boat and going to those places is virtuous, but being on the internet is sin and sloth. But without the internet, people wouldn't be able to see that flag without happening to be where the boat was. There was nobody around that day, or I might've asked them about the flag.

The upper left is Bretagne/Brittany (a region of France), which I know because Schuyler's family went there with me to visit my friend Helene a couple of years ago. I have a plastic shopping bag with that on it, and it has holders inside for baquettes, or wine bottles, or both.
http://justaddlightandstir.blogspot.com/2013/08/dont-miss-it.html

The center is for the Isle of Man, I think.

Lower left is Ireland. Lower right is Wales. Upper right is 1/4 of St. Andrew's cross, which represents Scotland. Center bottom is Cornwall. James Daniel told me that one. The upper center, I don't know. Maybe it's personal, or reference to a business. Maybe someone here will know (or know someone who will know).

I'm guessing it's just favorite places of the boat owners, or maybe places they've lived, or maybe it's a time-share boat, and the owners are from those places. I don't know if there's any such thing as a time-share boat. :-) But one day it was in Liverpool, and so was I.

Sandra

Schuyler

The upper middle looks like Italy. I don't know why it's on a red background, though. I had recognised most of them as being about the UK, but didn't peg the Bretagne one. 

Schuyler


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From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 10:28
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Connect and disconnect


I love all these ideas about the relationship between the flag and the quote.  None of them are what I was thinking, but they're all just as valid! 

I'm going to discuss it in the chat on Wednesday, so any more connections or ideas would be very welcome.  One thing I was thinking is that some people might think that having a boat and going to those places is virtuous, but being on the internet is sin and sloth.  But without the internet, people wouldn't be able to see that flag without happening to be where the boat was.  There was nobody around that day, or I might've asked them about the flag.

The upper left is Bretagne/Brittany (a region of France), which I know because Schuyler's family went there with me to visit my friend Helene a couple of years ago.  I have a plastic shopping bag with that on it, and it has holders inside for baquettes, or wine bottles, or both. 
http://justaddlightandstir.blogspot.com/2013/08/dont-miss-it.html

The center is for the Isle of Man, I think. 

Lower left is Ireland.  Lower right is Wales.  Upper right is 1/4 of St. Andrew's cross, which represents Scotland. Center bottom is Cornwall.  James Daniel told me that one.    The upper center, I don't know.  Maybe it's personal, or reference to a business.  Maybe someone here will know (or know someone who will know).

I'm guessing it's just favorite places of the boat owners, or maybe places they've lived, or maybe it's a time-share boat, and the owners are from those places.  I don't know if there's any such thing as a time-share boat. :-)  But one day it was in Liverpool, and so was I. 

Sandra



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Katie Oxford

I'm not sure why the arrangement is different, but the combination is the
same. Sometimes I like to look at things and wonder and not know the answer,
but if you want to know a little more about it and the flags represented....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Combined_flag_of_the_Celtic_nations.svg

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Sandra Dodd
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Connect and disconnect

I love all these ideas about the relationship between the flag and the
quote. None of them are what I was thinking, but they're all just as valid!


I'm going to discuss it in the chat on Wednesday, so any more connections or
ideas would be very welcome. One thing I was thinking is that some people
might think that having a boat and going to those places is virtuous, but
being on the internet is sin and sloth. But without the internet, people
wouldn't be able to see that flag without happening to be where the boat
was. There was nobody around that day, or I might've asked them about the
flag.

The upper left is Bretagne/Brittany (a region of France), which I know
because Schuyler's family went there with me to visit my friend Helene a
couple of years ago. I have a plastic shopping bag with that on it, and it
has holders inside for baquettes, or wine bottles, or both.
http://justaddlightandstir.blogspot.com/2013/08/dont-miss-it.html

The center is for the Isle of Man, I think.

Lower left is Ireland. Lower right is Wales. Upper right is 1/4 of St.
Andrew's cross, which represents Scotland. Center bottom is Cornwall. James
Daniel told me that one. The upper center, I don't know. Maybe it's
personal, or reference to a business. Maybe someone here will know (or know
someone who will know).

I'm guessing it's just favorite places of the boat owners, or maybe places
they've lived, or maybe it's a time-share boat, and the owners are from
those places. I don't know if there's any such thing as a time-share boat.
:-) But one day it was in Liverpool, and so was I.

Sandra



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Schuyler

Oh, the top in Sandra's picture is the Isle of Man. In the movement of the flag two of the legs disappear and it looks like Italy, to me. 

Schuyler


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From: Katie Oxford <katie@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 10:57
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Connect and disconnect


I'm not sure why the arrangement is different, but the combination is the
same. Sometimes I like to look at things and wonder and not know the answer,
but if you want to know a little more about it and the flags represented....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Combined_flag_of_the_Celtic_nations.svg

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Sandra Dodd
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Connect and disconnect

I love all these ideas about the relationship between the flag and the
quote.  None of them are what I was thinking, but they're all just as valid!


I'm going to discuss it in the chat on Wednesday, so any more connections or
ideas would be very welcome.  One thing I was thinking is that some people
might think that having a boat and going to those places is virtuous, but
being on the internet is sin and sloth.  But without the internet, people
wouldn't be able to see that flag without happening to be where the boat
was.  There was nobody around that day, or I might've asked them about the
flag.

The upper left is Bretagne/Brittany (a region of France), which I know
because Schuyler's family went there with me to visit my friend Helene a
couple of years ago.  I have a plastic shopping bag with that on it, and it
has holders inside for baquettes, or wine bottles, or both. 
http://justaddlightandstir.blogspot.com/2013/08/dont-miss-it.html

The center is for the Isle of Man, I think. 

Lower left is Ireland.  Lower right is Wales.  Upper right is 1/4 of St.
Andrew's cross, which represents Scotland. Center bottom is Cornwall.  James
Daniel told me that one.    The upper center, I don't know.  Maybe it's
personal, or reference to a business.  Maybe someone here will know (or know
someone who will know).

I'm guessing it's just favorite places of the boat owners, or maybe places
they've lived, or maybe it's a time-share boat, and the owners are from
those places.  I don't know if there's any such thing as a time-share boat.
:-)  But one day it was in Liverpool, and so was I. 

Sandra



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Sandra Dodd

-=-I had recognised most of them as being about the UK, but didn't peg the Bretagne one. -=-

Grocery-bag use has pegged it for me!

-=-The upper middle looks like Italy.-=-

There's a leaping doe/hart/hind/roedeer/something on red. I don't see that on a regional flags map of Italy.

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Bernadette Lynn

It's this flag: http://www.theflagshop.co.uk/celtic-nations-flag-4316-p.asp

Bernadette.


On 21 August 2013 03:05, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

> -=-I had recognised most of them as being about the UK, but didn't peg the
> Bretagne one. -=-
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> Grocery-bag use has pegged it for me!
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> -=-The upper middle looks like Italy.-=-
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> There's a leaping doe/hart/hind/roedeer/something on red. I don't see
> that on a regional flags map of Italy
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Sandra Dodd

-=-It's this flag: http://www.theflagshop.co.uk/celtic-nations-flag-4316-p.asp-=-

OH!
So it was a fold in the top center, and what I thought was a deer was two legs of three!

Thanks. :-)

I forgot to bring it up in the chat yesterday, which was pretty good anyway, about the benefits of the internet.

On facebook, Robin Bentley posted this:
I listened to this tonight and thought of the chat today. It's unlikely this ring would have found its way home, if not for the Internet.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/21/214180668/journey-of-the-ring-lost-in-wwii-now-back-with-pows-son

I shared:

Nice! And there's Robyn Coburn's dad. I put up some info she wrote about him, and somoene transferring old video recordings of jugglers found it and contacted me, so Robyn got to see video of her late father, doing a juggling trick she had written about there. We can watch it too, over and over, because technology is wonderful and some strangers who find us on the internet are sweet and generous.
http://sandradodd.com/jugglingrobyn