New to unschooling (long) advice please
Sylvia Toyama
For the interest in learning to fly, have you looked into the Civil Air Patrol? They have a teen program as well. I know a homeschooling Mom locally whose teenage daughter is very involved in CAP. I'm sure that, as a single Mom, she's not shelling out $375/hr for flying lessons.
In case the link didn't work, here's the addy longhand http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/html/index.htm
Sylvia
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In case the link didn't work, here's the addy longhand http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/html/index.htm
Sylvia
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Jenny Bayly
Sorry I didn't mention it in the original post but we are in Australia. He has been a member of Air Cadets but that was through school and so we have let it go.
He does play Microsoft flight simulator quite alot. He has already had about 5 flying lessons and is wanting to continue, but this is where the trouble has arisen.
Thanks to you all who have taken the time to consider our problem and especially those who have sent links to air training organisations.
It seems to me the path being recommended is to allow him to continue as he is- give him money for excursions with friends, maybe try to find some work experience in a field related to flight and stop thinking about his age?
Jenny
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He does play Microsoft flight simulator quite alot. He has already had about 5 flying lessons and is wanting to continue, but this is where the trouble has arisen.
Thanks to you all who have taken the time to consider our problem and especially those who have sent links to air training organisations.
It seems to me the path being recommended is to allow him to continue as he is- give him money for excursions with friends, maybe try to find some work experience in a field related to flight and stop thinking about his age?
Jenny
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Jenny Bayly wrote:
The more he explores flying (and any other interests) to the extent
that you can help him do so and finds this is something he really
really wants to do, that will be far greater motivation to him
finding a way to pursue it than any nagging or lecturing or telling
him will. (Which actually are far better at demotivating someone.)
He's spent 12 years or so working towards a goal (good grades,
college) that everyone said was where he needed to go to be
successful. And that turned out to be a lie. 12 years. Pretty much
his entire childhood. You can't give him that back *but* you can give
him the best now you possibly can. He needs time to recover. He needs
time to just be. Rule of thumb is a month of deschooling for each
year in school.
http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
(And I'd up that since his experience was so negative.) And
deschooling isn't just on his part. You need to not nudge him in a
direction you want him to go. Each time you bug him, the clock resets.
As Sandra suggested, treat this as though he were recovering from a
serious injury. He is. It's an injury you can't see.
Joyce
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> It seems to me the path being recommended is to allow him toNot necessarily work experience, but anything he might find interesting.
> continue as he is- give him money for excursions with friends,
> maybe try to find some work experience in a field related to flight
> and stop thinking about his age?
The more he explores flying (and any other interests) to the extent
that you can help him do so and finds this is something he really
really wants to do, that will be far greater motivation to him
finding a way to pursue it than any nagging or lecturing or telling
him will. (Which actually are far better at demotivating someone.)
He's spent 12 years or so working towards a goal (good grades,
college) that everyone said was where he needed to go to be
successful. And that turned out to be a lie. 12 years. Pretty much
his entire childhood. You can't give him that back *but* you can give
him the best now you possibly can. He needs time to recover. He needs
time to just be. Rule of thumb is a month of deschooling for each
year in school.
http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
(And I'd up that since his experience was so negative.) And
deschooling isn't just on his part. You need to not nudge him in a
direction you want him to go. Each time you bug him, the clock resets.
As Sandra suggested, treat this as though he were recovering from a
serious injury. He is. It's an injury you can't see.
Joyce
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Pam Sorooshian
On 1/18/2010 9:31 PM, Jenny Bayly wrote:
you think he's faking being interested in being a pilot if he's saying
he is after having had 5 flying lessons? That's a lot - that shows a
pretty serious interest, I'd think.
If you've been able to pay almost $400 each for 5 hours of lessons
(and not even remember exactly how many) then it sounds like you have
the money. That's almost $2,000. So you ARE supporting that interest -
and flight simulator is probably the next best thing and he's doing that
a lot.
I don't get the problem or question anymore.
-pam
> He does play Microsoft flight simulator quite alot. He has already had about 5 flying lessons and is wanting to continue, but this is where the trouble has arisen.So you could pay for flying lessons? Anyway - here is a question. Why do
>
you think he's faking being interested in being a pilot if he's saying
he is after having had 5 flying lessons? That's a lot - that shows a
pretty serious interest, I'd think.
If you've been able to pay almost $400 each for 5 hours of lessons
(and not even remember exactly how many) then it sounds like you have
the money. That's almost $2,000. So you ARE supporting that interest -
and flight simulator is probably the next best thing and he's doing that
a lot.
I don't get the problem or question anymore.
-pam
Jenny Cyphers
***It seems to me the path being recommended is to allow him to continue as he is- give him money for excursions with friends, maybe try to find some work experience in a field related to flight and stop thinking about his age?***
Considering his age is fine. Deciding what he should or shouldn't be like or into at any particular age is where you're going to run into trouble. He could stay where he's at for years and suddenly jump into the larger world. Or it could be a slow and gradual shift to adulthood. But for now, he's a kid who's dealt with emotional upheaval, give him time and space to recover.
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Considering his age is fine. Deciding what he should or shouldn't be like or into at any particular age is where you're going to run into trouble. He could stay where he's at for years and suddenly jump into the larger world. Or it could be a slow and gradual shift to adulthood. But for now, he's a kid who's dealt with emotional upheaval, give him time and space to recover.
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