jenbgosh

My son really likes the kind of logic puzzle where they give you just enough pieces of information about a situation, and you have to figure out the rest.

For example, (I got this one from Professor Layton) you have 3 men and three women. You have to figure out who is married to whom, and which women are sisters. You get info like: only one couple is sitting next to each other. The man with glasses is married to one of the sisters.

My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of puzzles. We have done Top Secret and Which Way USA from Highlights, and they would have maybe one of those types of puzzles per issue.

Does anyone know of a book or website of those types of puzzles?

Does anyone know if those types of puzzles have a specific name? If I knew what they were called, I might be able to track something down.

Thanks,

Jennie

Anne Ambrose

> My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of
puzzles

Those sound like one of the problem types on the LSAT. You could browse
through an LSAT study guide at a bookstore, and see if it has what you
are looking for. The guides have lots of sample problems from the
LSAT. But, it wouldn't be ONLY logic problems.
Anne


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Sandra Dodd

We have a book with a fair number of them, mixed in with other
things. I'll ask Holly if she knows which and where it is.

Maybe they're deductive reasoning puzzles (as to how you could look
them up, I mean).
On the Law School Aptitude test there are some things kinda like that,
including numbers and interest or store rental rates (business
aspects) mixed with information that's totally irrelevant, so part of
the problem is reading the situation and figuring out what to ignore
and what to pay attention to and use to find the best answer. Maybe
if they still have questions like that, a sample test of prep book for
the law school test (LSAT in the U.S.) would net some fun stuff.

Sandra

Sandra Dodd

-=-
Those sound like one of the problem types on the LSAT. You could browse
through an LSAT study guide at a bookstore, and see if it has what you
are looking for. The guides have lots of sample problems from the
LSAT. But, it wouldn't be ONLY logic problems.
Anne-=-

OH!! Anne, I wrote my notes before I saw yours. <g>

In the late 1970's, I aced that test. Did I go to law school? I did
not. I had this boyfriend, younger than I was, who said he would help
me through law school, support me while I went, give me a place to
live. Yeah, right, I'm thinking. AS IF. So I did other stuff
instead. Turns out that Keith Dodd kid probably WOULD have helped me
after all!

Sandra

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[email protected]

I have a game called Mindtrap with thousands of questions like that.
One quick example is:
Which of the four following words does not belong in this group and why?
Oriole
Orange
Month
Oil

Answer: oil, it's the only one of the four that can rhyme with another word in the English language.

That was short, some are a whole paragraph.

Here I'll do one more.
In Hawaii, if you drop a steel ball weighing 5 pounds from a height of 45 inches, will it fall more rapidly through water at 20*F or 40*F or will it make no difference?

A: 40*F, at 20*F the water would be frozen.

Not sure if this is exactly what you have in mind, but it's fun. We never played it as a game (as it's sold as) we just ask the questions to each other.

~Erika
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "jenbgosh" <pcjen@...>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:31:42
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Logic Puzzles

My son really likes the kind of logic puzzle where they give you just enough pieces of information about a situation, and you have to figure out the rest.

For example, (I got this one from Professor Layton) you have 3 men and three women. You have to figure out who is married to whom, and which women are sisters. You get info like: only one couple is sitting next to each other. The man with glasses is married to one of the sisters.

My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of puzzles. We have done Top Secret and Which Way USA from Highlights, and they would have maybe one of those types of puzzles per issue.

Does anyone know of a book or website of those types of puzzles?

Does anyone know if those types of puzzles have a specific name? If I knew what they were called, I might be able to track something down.

Thanks,

Jennie




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Sandra Dodd

http://expandyourmind.com/logicproblems/

Some of these are riddles, not so clearly "puzzles":
http://www.pzzls.com/logic_puzzles_and_riddles/newest_on_top/1.html

Here's one about what kind of cigarettes or cigars or tobacco the
people use, and who has a fish. <g>

Question:
There are 5 houses in 5 different colors. In each house lives a person
with a different nationality. The 5 owners drink a certain type of
beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar, and keep a certain pet. No
owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar, or drink the
same beverage.

Somebody owns a fish. The question is: who?

Hints:
The Brit lives in the red house.
The Swede keeps dogs as pets.
The Dane drinks tea.
The green house is on the left and next to the white house.
The green homeowner drinks coffee.
The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds.
The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
The man living in the center house drinks milk.
The Norwegian lives in the first house.
The man who smokes Blends lives next to the one who keeps cats.
The man who keeps the horse lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill.
The owner who smokes Bluemaster drinks beer.
The German smokes Prince.
The Norwegian lives next to the blue house.
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water.

Answer:
The German owns the fish.




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Bettina

Hi

I know what you mean! As a child I loved doing those puzzles. There was/is a magazin called PM logik trainer (german, http://www.pm-magazin.de/de/aktuellehefte/pm_logiktrainer.htm) and they have only those puzzles. In fact they also have a grid that should help to solve the puzzle, but after a while practising it is also possible doing it without the grid. Check this site it has different puzzles maybe you find some intersting stuff for your son, even though it is not exactly what you are looking for: http://www.rinkworks.com/brainfood/

all the best
bettina

Jill Parmer

I love those puzzles and found them in the Dell Crossword and other
puzzles magazine. Sadly, I remember there only being two per
magazine. In the magazine they are called Logic Problems. Googling,
logic puzzles, and logic problems, here's some I found.

This one has the grid to help solve the problem that I remember from
those magazines.
http://www.puzzles.com/projects/LogicProblemsArchive.html


http://www.folj.com/puzzles/
Example: The Camels
Four tasmanian camels traveling on a very narrow ledge encounter four
tasmanian camels coming the other way.

Tasmanian camels never go backwards, especially when on a precarious
ledge. The camels will climb over each other, but only if there is a
camel sized space on the other side.

The camels didn't see each other until there was only exactly one
camel's width between the two groups.

How can all camels pass, allowing both groups to go on their way,
without any camel reversing?


Explanations of and other types of logic problems
http://expandyourmind.com/logicproblems/




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Karen Hsu

I used to do those in the Dell books too. Looking at Amazon, there is an
entire series of Dell books that are just the logic problems. Here's one:
http://tinyurl.com/yjvtw5f

If that doesn't work, go to amazon and search on "dell logic puzzles"

Karen

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jill Parmer <jparmer@...> wrote:

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>
> I love those puzzles and found them in the Dell Crossword and other
> puzzles magazine. Sadly, I remember there only being two per
> magazine. In the magazine they are called Logic Problems. Googling,
> logic puzzles, and logic problems, here's some I found.
>
>


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Robin Bentley

> In Hawaii, if you drop a steel ball weighing 5 pounds from a height
> of 45 inches, will it fall more rapidly through water at 20*F or
> 40*F or will it make no difference?
>
> A: 40*F, at 20*F the water would be frozen.

True, but in Hawai'i the water never freezes <g>.

Robin B.

[email protected]

~*~*True, but in Hawai'i the water never freezes <g>~*~*

It does if you put it in the freezer. <BWG>
~Erika

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Lyla Wolfenstein

we have a box game that is based on a big set of cards that each have logic puzzles on them - we never play the game, but we do the question cards all the time - it's called Mindtrap.

http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Trap-Game/dp/B00000DMBU

lyla

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Emile Snyder

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 15:20 +0000, ejcmassage@... wrote:

> Which of the four following words does not belong in this group and
> why?
> Oriole
> Orange
> Month
> Oil
>
> Answer: oil, it's the only one of the four that can rhyme with another
> word in the English language.

I'm glad my oriole,
remains arboreal.

To crush the oranges,
affix the flanges.
(ok, ok, that one's pretty bad)

;)

-emile

Paige Parr

I just googled "homeschool" and "logic puzzles" and came across this site,
looks like some good stuff someone's collected:

http://pawpawhollerhome.com/2009/05/07/free-logic-problems/

I was actually looking for a particular book, or series of books that I had
used some time ago.

(A-ha! Just came to me)...

Mindware<http://www.mindwareonline.com/MWESTORE/ProductSearch/ListDisplay.aspx?cat=Books+%26+Brainteasers&subcat=>has
some great logic puzzle books (patterns, deductive reasoning,
crosswords, etc.) for all ages.

Thanks for the reminder! :-D

Paige, in Virginia

http://fu-united.ning.com/profile/Paige

The hard work of one accomplishes more than the prayers of millions.



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[email protected]

In a message dated 10/29/2009 11:28:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ejcmassage@... writes:

<<<Which of the four following words does not belong in this group and
why?
Oriole
Orange
Month
Oil

Answer: oil, it's the only one of the four that can rhyme with another
word in the English language.

That was short, some are a whole paragraph.

Here I'll do one more.
In Hawaii, if you drop a steel ball weighing 5 pounds from a height of 45
inches, will it fall more rapidly through water at 20*F or 40*F or will it
make no difference?

A: 40*F, at 20*F the water would be frozen.>>>


This is why I almost failed Algebra-these aren't "logical" to me in the
sense of most of them not being something you'd run into in everyday life
(like the "Tasmanian Camel" problem) but also because they present them as if
there are only 1 right answer, and so many times, there are more.

In the first example, Month doesn't fit, because the rest start with O and
it starts with M, and also because the other 3 are tangible items and
Month is an idea.

With the second example, there's the idea Robin mentioned that things don'
t freeze in Hawaii, but also that not all water freezes at 32 (or 20)
degrees. It depends on salinity, how fast the water is moving, how deep it is,
etc.

In school (well, I still do), I'd get hung up on what was "wrong" with the
problem/question and not even be able to *get* to the solving of it! I
don't know that I could help my kids solve problems like this without passing
along that idiosyncrasy of mine...

Peace,
De


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Elissa Jill

Logic puzzles, you can get them at almost any grocery store.
Sent on the Sprint� Now Network from my BlackBerry�

-----Original Message-----
From: "jenbgosh" <pcjen@...>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:31:42
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Logic Puzzles

My son really likes the kind of logic puzzle where they give you just enough pieces of information about a situation, and you have to figure out the rest.

For example, (I got this one from Professor Layton) you have 3 men and three women. You have to figure out who is married to whom, and which women are sisters. You get info like: only one couple is sitting next to each other. The man with glasses is married to one of the sisters.

My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of puzzles. We have done Top Secret and Which Way USA from Highlights, and they would have maybe one of those types of puzzles per issue.

Does anyone know of a book or website of those types of puzzles?

Does anyone know if those types of puzzles have a specific name? If I knew what they were called, I might be able to track something down.

Thanks,

Jennie




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Amanda's Shoebox

We purchased a cd rom with puzzles like that from the following company. They also have workbooks with those puzzles:

http://www.criticalthinking.com/series/013/index_c.jsp

--- In [email protected], "jenbgosh" <pcjen@...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a book or website of those types of puzzles?
>
> Does anyone know if those types of puzzles have a specific name? If I knew what they were called, I might be able to track something down.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jennie
>

edi noselin

Hi Jennie,
I bought some logic and reasoning books here:

www.prufrock.com

Hope this could help.

Edi

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, jenbgosh <pcjen@...> wrote:

>
>
> My son really likes the kind of logic puzzle where they give you just
> enough pieces of information about a situation, and you have to figure out
> the rest.
>
> For example, (I got this one from Professor Layton) you have 3 men and
> three women. You have to figure out who is married to whom, and which women
> are sisters. You get info like: only one couple is sitting next to each
> other. The man with glasses is married to one of the sisters.
>
> My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of
> puzzles. We have done Top Secret and Which Way USA from Highlights, and they
> would have maybe one of those types of puzzles per issue.
>
> Does anyone know of a book or website of those types of puzzles?
>
> Does anyone know if those types of puzzles have a specific name? If I knew
> what they were called, I might be able to track something down.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jennie
>
>
>


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flhomeschooling

--- In [email protected], "jenbgosh" <pcjen@...> wrote:
>
> My son really likes the kind of logic puzzle where they give you just enough pieces of information about a situation, and you have to figure out the rest.
>
> For example, (I got this one from Professor Layton) you have 3 men and three women. You have to figure out who is married to whom, and which women are sisters. You get info like: only one couple is sitting next to each other. The man with glasses is married to one of the sisters.
>
> My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of puzzles.

Jennie,

I'm new to the group and haven't introduced myself yet, but my 11yo son LOVES these kinds of puzzles and could do them (and sometimes does do them) for hours. There is a series of books called "Grid Perplexors" which have 50 or so of these kinds of puzzles. The workbooks themselves are a series and incrementally more difficult, and the puzzles in each book get harder the farther you are in the book, too. They're nothing but those kinds of puzzles. They are great fun. :)

Andrea

[email protected]

i just went to a jean burke lecture on how 2 get college 4 free & she said start logic puzzles @ age 10 as a start to ace the SAT's.

my ? is my DD loves 2 do those puzzles in the newspaper that have #'s 1-81 & u have to put them in order <there r some #'s sprinkled around> we tried 2 find a book of "81's" & couldn't. does anyone know what "81" is called? TIA


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starabovecm

Try searching for the phrase "Brain Teasers" on google or amazon.

I used to have a couple of brain teaser books when I was a kid. They had puzzles like that in them.

Shannon



--- In [email protected], "jenbgosh" <pcjen@...> wrote:
>
> My son really likes the kind of logic puzzle where they give you just enough pieces of information about a situation, and you have to figure out the rest.
>
> For example, (I got this one from Professor Layton) you have 3 men and three women. You have to figure out who is married to whom, and which women are sisters. You get info like: only one couple is sitting next to each other. The man with glasses is married to one of the sisters.
>
> My son would like to get a puzzle book that has ONLY those types of puzzles. We have done Top Secret and Which Way USA from Highlights, and they would have maybe one of those types of puzzles per issue.
>
> Does anyone know of a book or website of those types of puzzles?
>
> Does anyone know if those types of puzzles have a specific name? If I knew what they were called, I might be able to track something down.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jennie
>

Joyce Fetteroll

On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:07 PM, nymodels2@... wrote:

> my ? is my DD loves 2 do those puzzles in the newspaper that have
> #'s 1-81 & u have to put them in order <there r some #'s sprinkled
> around> we tried 2 find a book of "81's" & couldn't. does anyone
> know what "81" is called? TIA

They're called Numbrix.

The reason you can't find them is Marilyn Vos Savant invented them
and so far they're just on line.

There's an online widgit (that also can be downloaded for iPhone/iPod).

http://www.parade.com/askmarilyn/numbrix/archive/expert/
Numbrix-20091104.html

I could be wrong but it looks like they're handmade, a new one each
week, so there may only be a limited number of them.

Joyce

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Sandra Dodd

Deductive-reasoning board games:

Master Mind for Kids (it's slightly easier and much prettier than the
original MasterMind game)
Clue (there's a new one out about the TV Show 24; there are other
special versions)
Scotland Yard (more complicated, a map of London and tickets for cab,
tube and bus, one player's moving secretly and the rest are looking
for him)

There are probably others I'm not thinking of or haven't played.

Sandra