New here, talents and legalities
Jevareyn ShadowCloud
Hi all,
When I started a post of introduction I didn't realise that there was
another one with the same 'topic'. Got a bit confusing with the
responses...
To go over a few responses by people...
From Sandra: " Check with locals for sure to see how it works in
practical terms. It doesn't seem you should need to leave her in school
these five weeks.... If you take her out, what's the worst that happens?
They suspend her? They say she needs to repeat a grade? None of that
will matter if you're going to homeschool her. "
The problem here is the legalities... which unfortunately are enforced
here in QLD, Australia. If I keep Amy out of school whilst waiting for
the paper work to be processed I run a very high risk of being charged
by the Truancy Board which can then have an effect on the registration
application.
I totally understand what everyone means by leaving her in school for
the next 5 weeks can be more harmful and this is something that I want
to reduce as much as possible. What I have done is contact the high
school deputy principal and let them know that Amy is now being
registered for homeschooling. This means her teachers will be informed
and so will 'back-off' from her for a little while. Another thing is in
approximately 1 1/2 weeks the kids will have their Easter school
holidays which go for approx 10 days. After that I will be keeping her
home on the basis that she is being assessd to determine her grade
levels so that a program can be designed specifically for her needs. As
the registration process needs to know exactly what she will be taught
doing this will work in my favour.
Tomorrow I will be ringing the Home Education Unit to ask if I can
submit the registration in whilst waiting for her birth certificate.
This will, hopefully, reduce any delays that may occur otherwise and
also help clarify any thing in the report that I need to submit. If I
wait until after the birth certifcate arrives it could take longer.
So thank you Sandra and everyone else who helped me get thinking on a
few things so that this can be done in an effective way.
From Jenny: "Schools can do a lot of damage to kids with "talents". All
kids have talents, schools only recognize and encourage some of them.
Your daughter would be a perfect example. Artists of any kind, in
schools, are a bit marginalized, even if the schools recognize the
talent... My oldest daughter, and even me, come to think of it, have
been accused of living in a fantasy world. Well, why not live in my own
world? Why not indulge myself in this regard? It doesn't harm anyone.
The only harm has come from trying to ignore it, my own self
exploration, to do what others see best. No good can come from that."
I totally understand what you are saying here... I am 45 years old and
over the last couple of years I have been struggling with my own inner
creativity that had been 'subdued' due to others expectations. This
struggle became so bad that I had a breakdown it was difficult for me to
live my life whilst living the life that everyone else expected me to
do.... (When I was around 3 years old I was put onto a rohypnol type
drug by a child psyholgist as he labelled me as being hyperactive...
luckily for me my mother didn't keep me on them.)
This is something that I have seen time and time again especially with
women over the years... and having to face my own barriers wasa a very
difficult task but I have come to understand many things because of it.
Years ago people would ask me what I do and I would always avoid
answering... but now I answer proudly when I tell people that I am an
artist and a writer (yes my daughter has 'inherited' my talents which
came from my grandfather). I was once ashamed of saying this becasue I
was brought up with the old cliche of ".... such and such will never
earn you a living.... you'll be a nobody if you pursue that..." etc...
Yes if we didn't have those magnificent people who lived in a fantasy
world we wouldn't have a world today that is so full of richness and
beautiful tapestries of imaginations within the stories, movies, art,
fashion and technology that we see today... we truly owe our living to
all the people who continued to live in 'their worlds.'
Another thing I have to add here is that I have a partner that I need to
work around at this stage... he believes that Amy should be caught up
with her grade and then sent back to school... but I've got time to help
him understand things in a better light... it doesn't help when he had a
'strict catholic education'... I won't go too far into that one...
I have a few friends backing me up. Especially the ones who have known
Amy for some time and they all agree with me that this would be the best
move for Amy. I don't need anyones approval though but it does help.
When it comes to my young son, Jake who is 11, when he knew that Amy was
going to be homeschooled he had a panic attack and said that we was "not
going to be homeschooled as he wants to stay where he is". I am going to
let him stay - for now - but closely monitor how he goes. I will
however, make the transistion of him being homeschooled once he reaches
high school if not beforehand.
That being said I would just like to say thank you to everyone who gave
me some insight to a few things and welcomed me...
Many blessings,
Tania
When I started a post of introduction I didn't realise that there was
another one with the same 'topic'. Got a bit confusing with the
responses...
To go over a few responses by people...
From Sandra: " Check with locals for sure to see how it works in
practical terms. It doesn't seem you should need to leave her in school
these five weeks.... If you take her out, what's the worst that happens?
They suspend her? They say she needs to repeat a grade? None of that
will matter if you're going to homeschool her. "
The problem here is the legalities... which unfortunately are enforced
here in QLD, Australia. If I keep Amy out of school whilst waiting for
the paper work to be processed I run a very high risk of being charged
by the Truancy Board which can then have an effect on the registration
application.
I totally understand what everyone means by leaving her in school for
the next 5 weeks can be more harmful and this is something that I want
to reduce as much as possible. What I have done is contact the high
school deputy principal and let them know that Amy is now being
registered for homeschooling. This means her teachers will be informed
and so will 'back-off' from her for a little while. Another thing is in
approximately 1 1/2 weeks the kids will have their Easter school
holidays which go for approx 10 days. After that I will be keeping her
home on the basis that she is being assessd to determine her grade
levels so that a program can be designed specifically for her needs. As
the registration process needs to know exactly what she will be taught
doing this will work in my favour.
Tomorrow I will be ringing the Home Education Unit to ask if I can
submit the registration in whilst waiting for her birth certificate.
This will, hopefully, reduce any delays that may occur otherwise and
also help clarify any thing in the report that I need to submit. If I
wait until after the birth certifcate arrives it could take longer.
So thank you Sandra and everyone else who helped me get thinking on a
few things so that this can be done in an effective way.
From Jenny: "Schools can do a lot of damage to kids with "talents". All
kids have talents, schools only recognize and encourage some of them.
Your daughter would be a perfect example. Artists of any kind, in
schools, are a bit marginalized, even if the schools recognize the
talent... My oldest daughter, and even me, come to think of it, have
been accused of living in a fantasy world. Well, why not live in my own
world? Why not indulge myself in this regard? It doesn't harm anyone.
The only harm has come from trying to ignore it, my own self
exploration, to do what others see best. No good can come from that."
I totally understand what you are saying here... I am 45 years old and
over the last couple of years I have been struggling with my own inner
creativity that had been 'subdued' due to others expectations. This
struggle became so bad that I had a breakdown it was difficult for me to
live my life whilst living the life that everyone else expected me to
do.... (When I was around 3 years old I was put onto a rohypnol type
drug by a child psyholgist as he labelled me as being hyperactive...
luckily for me my mother didn't keep me on them.)
This is something that I have seen time and time again especially with
women over the years... and having to face my own barriers wasa a very
difficult task but I have come to understand many things because of it.
Years ago people would ask me what I do and I would always avoid
answering... but now I answer proudly when I tell people that I am an
artist and a writer (yes my daughter has 'inherited' my talents which
came from my grandfather). I was once ashamed of saying this becasue I
was brought up with the old cliche of ".... such and such will never
earn you a living.... you'll be a nobody if you pursue that..." etc...
Yes if we didn't have those magnificent people who lived in a fantasy
world we wouldn't have a world today that is so full of richness and
beautiful tapestries of imaginations within the stories, movies, art,
fashion and technology that we see today... we truly owe our living to
all the people who continued to live in 'their worlds.'
Another thing I have to add here is that I have a partner that I need to
work around at this stage... he believes that Amy should be caught up
with her grade and then sent back to school... but I've got time to help
him understand things in a better light... it doesn't help when he had a
'strict catholic education'... I won't go too far into that one...
I have a few friends backing me up. Especially the ones who have known
Amy for some time and they all agree with me that this would be the best
move for Amy. I don't need anyones approval though but it does help.
When it comes to my young son, Jake who is 11, when he knew that Amy was
going to be homeschooled he had a panic attack and said that we was "not
going to be homeschooled as he wants to stay where he is". I am going to
let him stay - for now - but closely monitor how he goes. I will
however, make the transistion of him being homeschooled once he reaches
high school if not beforehand.
That being said I would just like to say thank you to everyone who gave
me some insight to a few things and welcomed me...
Many blessings,
Tania
Sandra Dodd
From Sandra: " Check with locals for sure to see how it works in
practical terms. ......
.....
The problem here is the legalities...
So you didn't check with locals.
This list isn't for discussing legalities in local areas. LOCALS are
for discussing, and they can help you because they know what the law
says AND ALSO what real people are doing in (as I said) practical terms.
It would have taken you less time to check with locals than to explain
at length to people in Canada and England and the U.S., India, France
and South Africa, why you were opting NOT to check with the locals.
-=To go over a few responses by people...-=-
You don't need to go over responses on this list. It's
counterproductive sometimes. Put out and idea and we can discuss the
idea.
The discussion on arts and limits was great. We should continue to
discuss that but NOT to discuss legalities.
This is not good, though, and you should back down from it immediately:
-=-When it comes to my young son, Jake who is 11, when he knew that
Amy was
going to be homeschooled he had a panic attack and said that we was "not
going to be homeschooled as he wants to stay where he is". I am going to
let him stay - for now - but closely monitor how he goes. I will
however, make the transistion of him being homeschooled once he reaches
high school if not beforehand.-=-
If he likes school and wants to stay there, you will NOT "make the
transition of him being homeschooled"--not if the homeschooling you're
thinking of is to be unschooling. You could pull him out of school
against his will, but it wouldn't be better for him as an individual
human who will himself deal with all his issues the rest of his life.
You could make the transition to him hating you and wishing he were
still in school, and ruining not only your relationship with him but
the tone and mood of your entire family.
If you want him to come home, have a fun life with your daughter and
make it so appealing that as he grows disenchanted with school (if he
does) he might ask to stay home. Don't poison the well by villifying
what he loves. It will backfire horribly.
Because you've told us that YOU will make the transition regarding
your son, I'm wondering if YOU are making the transition regarding
your daughter. Does she want to stay home?
Sandra
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practical terms. ......
.....
The problem here is the legalities...
So you didn't check with locals.
This list isn't for discussing legalities in local areas. LOCALS are
for discussing, and they can help you because they know what the law
says AND ALSO what real people are doing in (as I said) practical terms.
It would have taken you less time to check with locals than to explain
at length to people in Canada and England and the U.S., India, France
and South Africa, why you were opting NOT to check with the locals.
-=To go over a few responses by people...-=-
You don't need to go over responses on this list. It's
counterproductive sometimes. Put out and idea and we can discuss the
idea.
The discussion on arts and limits was great. We should continue to
discuss that but NOT to discuss legalities.
This is not good, though, and you should back down from it immediately:
-=-When it comes to my young son, Jake who is 11, when he knew that
Amy was
going to be homeschooled he had a panic attack and said that we was "not
going to be homeschooled as he wants to stay where he is". I am going to
let him stay - for now - but closely monitor how he goes. I will
however, make the transistion of him being homeschooled once he reaches
high school if not beforehand.-=-
If he likes school and wants to stay there, you will NOT "make the
transition of him being homeschooled"--not if the homeschooling you're
thinking of is to be unschooling. You could pull him out of school
against his will, but it wouldn't be better for him as an individual
human who will himself deal with all his issues the rest of his life.
You could make the transition to him hating you and wishing he were
still in school, and ruining not only your relationship with him but
the tone and mood of your entire family.
If you want him to come home, have a fun life with your daughter and
make it so appealing that as he grows disenchanted with school (if he
does) he might ask to stay home. Don't poison the well by villifying
what he loves. It will backfire horribly.
Because you've told us that YOU will make the transition regarding
your son, I'm wondering if YOU are making the transition regarding
your daughter. Does she want to stay home?
Sandra
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Jevareyn ShadowCloud
Dear Sandra,
I appreciate all that you have said and I never intended to bring the
'legalities' to the point it has now. I was just simply stating how it
works here where I am. I was not asking for help from outside sources
but it does help to get a fresh perspective of things. I have checked
with the local and hence why I am doing things that way that I am for
Amy.
In regards to Jake the choice will always be up to him... I would never
do things that would contradict this. As I said I would be closely
monitoring how he goes - within the public schooling system. If he
chooses to continue so be it all I can do is monitor and go from there.
There is no way I would 'poison' him into thinking that one way is
better than the other... as this is simply not the case at all.
Homeschooling, public schooling, private schooling and boarding school
all have their pros and cons it is up to the individuals (parents,
children, carers etc) to find out what works for them. What may be more
suitable for a child homeschooling may not always benefit a child who is
in the public sector and vice versa.
With Amy she has asked to be homeschooled many times. At the beginning
of this year she even told people that she didn't want to go to school
but stay at home. Due to the problems she has had over the years with
the public sector I felt it would be of more benefit to homeschool her -
as I had originally intended 2 years ago - rather than watch her
continue to have problems which will only compound her growing and
blossoming into a beautiful person.
I apologise if I had not made myself clearer on this in the earlier
posting.
Blessings,
Tania
In regards to Amy
I appreciate all that you have said and I never intended to bring the
'legalities' to the point it has now. I was just simply stating how it
works here where I am. I was not asking for help from outside sources
but it does help to get a fresh perspective of things. I have checked
with the local and hence why I am doing things that way that I am for
Amy.
In regards to Jake the choice will always be up to him... I would never
do things that would contradict this. As I said I would be closely
monitoring how he goes - within the public schooling system. If he
chooses to continue so be it all I can do is monitor and go from there.
There is no way I would 'poison' him into thinking that one way is
better than the other... as this is simply not the case at all.
Homeschooling, public schooling, private schooling and boarding school
all have their pros and cons it is up to the individuals (parents,
children, carers etc) to find out what works for them. What may be more
suitable for a child homeschooling may not always benefit a child who is
in the public sector and vice versa.
With Amy she has asked to be homeschooled many times. At the beginning
of this year she even told people that she didn't want to go to school
but stay at home. Due to the problems she has had over the years with
the public sector I felt it would be of more benefit to homeschool her -
as I had originally intended 2 years ago - rather than watch her
continue to have problems which will only compound her growing and
blossoming into a beautiful person.
I apologise if I had not made myself clearer on this in the earlier
posting.
Blessings,
Tania
In regards to Amy
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> From Sandra: " Check with locals for sure to see how it works in
> practical terms. ......
> .....
> The problem here is the legalities...
>
> So you didn't check with locals.
>
> This list isn't for discussing legalities in local areas. LOCALS are
> for discussing, and they can help you because they know what the law
> says AND ALSO what real people are doing in (as I said) practical
terms.
>
> It would have taken you less time to check with locals than to explain
> at length to people in Canada and England and the U.S., India, France
> and South Africa, why you were opting NOT to check with the locals.
>
>
> -=To go over a few responses by people...-=-
>
> You don't need to go over responses on this list. It's
> counterproductive sometimes. Put out and idea and we can discuss the
> idea.
>
>
> The discussion on arts and limits was great. We should continue to
> discuss that but NOT to discuss legalities.
>
>
> This is not good, though, and you should back down from it
immediately:
>
> -=-When it comes to my young son, Jake who is 11, when he knew that
> Amy was
> going to be homeschooled he had a panic attack and said that we was
"not
> going to be homeschooled as he wants to stay where he is". I am going
to
> let him stay - for now - but closely monitor how he goes. I will
> however, make the transistion of him being homeschooled once he
reaches
> high school if not beforehand.-=-
>
> If he likes school and wants to stay there, you will NOT "make the
> transition of him being homeschooled"--not if the homeschooling you're
> thinking of is to be unschooling. You could pull him out of school
> against his will, but it wouldn't be better for him as an individual
> human who will himself deal with all his issues the rest of his life.
> You could make the transition to him hating you and wishing he were
> still in school, and ruining not only your relationship with him but
> the tone and mood of your entire family.
>
> If you want him to come home, have a fun life with your daughter and
> make it so appealing that as he grows disenchanted with school (if he
> does) he might ask to stay home. Don't poison the well by villifying
> what he loves. It will backfire horribly.
>
> Because you've told us that YOU will make the transition regarding
> your son, I'm wondering if YOU are making the transition regarding
> your daughter. Does she want to stay home?
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>