Lara Miller

> This is a serious qeustion. Why aren't children to run around pools?
> I know the immediate danger of them falling and scraping themselves or
> heaven forbid, a head injury just before they fall into the water
> unconscious. Also the danger of knocking someone else down. We spend
> as much time at pools as time and weather will allow and I find myself
> constantly telling them "stop running around the pool" "you're going
> to get hurt if you don't stop". But as with so many things these
> days I am pausing to ask myself why. We encourage kids to run around
> parks and outdoor basketball courts (which are often concrete also)
> and other equally(?) dangerous places. Maybe it is the long-ago
> retired lifeguard in me that feels compelled to tell them to stop.
> Thankfully I don't have a whistle. Not sure if this is a question or
> observation, but any thoughts are welcome. :)
>
> Blessings,
> Lara Miller
> Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
> http://mytripjournal.com/millerfamily
>
>


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Nancy Wooton

On Mar 11, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Lara Miller wrote:

>> This is a serious qeustion. Why aren't children to run around pools?
>> I know the immediate danger of them falling and scraping themselves
>> or
>> heaven forbid, a head injury just before they fall into the water
>> unconscious. Also the danger of knocking someone else down. We spend
>> as much time at pools as time and weather will allow and I find
>> myself
>> constantly telling them "stop running around the pool" "you're going
>> to get hurt if you don't stop". But as with so many things these
>> days I am pausing to ask myself why. We encourage kids to run around
>> parks and outdoor basketball courts (which are often concrete also)
>> and other equally(?) dangerous places. Maybe it is the long-ago
>> retired lifeguard in me that feels compelled to tell them to stop.
>> Thankfully I don't have a whistle. Not sure if this is a question or
>> observation, but any thoughts are welcome. :)
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Lara Miller
>> Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
>> http://mytripjournal.com/millerfamily
>>
>>
>


Because pool decks and coping (the edge) can be very slippery when
wet. My parents put in a pool when I was about 12, and had the
concrete deck scored so it was rough; it didn't feel great all the
time on feet, but it didn't get too hot and it didn't slip.

I think it's one of those basic safety rules, like looking both ways
before crossing a street (IN the crosswalk, please!!!). I get annoyed
when I see people treating their life cavalierly, like the boy on a
bike I saw today, riding with a helmet but with the strap hanging
loose. And every day I see people riding their horses without
helmets, or worse, putting children up without them. Pisses me off.

Nancy

Lara Miller

Okay- slippery when wet- got it. I knew there was more to it than my
sun-soaked brain could come up with at the moment.

We are in AZ and apparently they don't have a helmet law for
motorcycles. I can't imagine why anyone would ever get on a bike
without one. Dh said it probably helps with the gene pool- survival
of the fittest and all! LOL

Thanks for helping me think.

Blessings,
Lara Miller
Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
http://mytripjournal.com/millerfamily

On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Nancy Wooton <nancywooton@...> wrote:

>
> On Mar 11, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Lara Miller wrote:
>
> >> This is a serious qeustion. Why aren't children to run around
> pools?
> >> I know the immediate danger of them falling and scraping themselves
> >> or
> >> heaven forbid, a head injury just before they fall into the water
> >> unconscious. Also the danger of knocking someone else down. We
> spend
> >> as much time at pools as time and weather will allow and I find
> >> myself
> >> constantly telling them "stop running around the pool" "you're
> going
> >> to get hurt if you don't stop". But as with so many things these
> >> days I am pausing to ask myself why. We encourage kids to run
> around
> >> parks and outdoor basketball courts (which are often concrete also)
> >> and other equally(?) dangerous places. Maybe it is the long-ago
> >> retired lifeguard in me that feels compelled to tell them to stop.
> >> Thankfully I don't have a whistle. Not sure if this is a question
> or
> >> observation, but any thoughts are welcome. :)
> >>
> >> Blessings,
> >> Lara Miller
> >> Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
> >> http://mytripjournal.com/millerfamily
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> Because pool decks and coping (the edge) can be very slippery when
> wet. My parents put in a pool when I was about 12, and had the
> concrete deck scored so it was rough; it didn't feel great all the
> time on feet, but it didn't get too hot and it didn't slip.
>
> I think it's one of those basic safety rules, like looking both ways
> before crossing a street (IN the crosswalk, please!!!). I get annoyed
> when I see people treating their life cavalierly, like the boy on a
> bike I saw today, riding with a helmet but with the strap hanging
> loose. And every day I see people riding their horses without
> helmets, or worse, putting children up without them. Pisses me off.
>
> Nancy
>
>
>


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Sandra Dodd

-=-Okay- slippery when wet- got it. I knew there was more to it than my
sun-soaked brain could come up with at the moment.

We are in AZ-=-

Tile is slippier than concrete, and neither is as slippery in Arizona
and New Mexico (where I am) as in many other places.

In some places, water goes into the sky seconds after it gets a
chance to. I was trying to write a word on concrete with water last
summer, and I couldn't finish the word before the beginning of it was
gone. So I gave up on writing "welcome" and went with the house
number instead.

I was doing big calligraphy with a sponge paint brush and water (and
playground chalk turned on its side):

http://sandradodd.blogspot.com/2007/07/water-and-chalk.html

Sandra

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Lara Miller

Yes, it is very dry here. The kids weren't actually swimming that
much today, because the pool wasn't heated and is probably on 60
degrees! But the water was evaporating quickly on the patio/pool
deck. Funny, dry has been a topic of mine lately. Here is a recent
journal entry for me out here in the desert:

"Ode to Reptiles:
I am turning into a lizard. Face cream, eye cream, face cream with
SPF, lip moisturizer, body lotion, body oil, medicated lotion: I
have them all. I have used them all. Nothing is working. I
couldn�t even pull on my socks yesterday because my heels are so dry
and frayed. I am starting to look like all the other living things
in the desert around here: scaly and prickly. Drink more water you
say? I am drinking so much water that I am in the bathroom every 30
minutes. But, I suppose that gives me another opportunity to apply
lotion.
I have a desert booger stuck in my nose also. I can�t see it, but I
know it is there! A once moist blob of mucus has dehydrated to the
point it has the likeness of charcoal; stuck in my nose. I am afraid
surgery is my only option at this point.
I draped a washed sheet over our outdoor chairs to dry in the sun.
It was dry as soon as I turned around and reached the door. The
water was visible as it rapidly evaporated. I think we actually
created a cloud. Maybe if everyone dried their clothes outside on a
line, it wouldn�t be so dry out here. There would be clouds of
laundered moisture everywhere. "

Blessings,

Lara Miller
Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
http://www.mytripjournal.com/millerfamily
>
> Tile is slippier than concrete, and neither is as slippery in Arizona
> and New Mexico (where I am) as in many other places.
>
> In some places, water goes into the sky seconds after it gets a
> chance to. I was trying to write a word on concrete with water last
> summer, and I couldn't finish the word before the beginning of it was
> gone. So I gave up on writing "welcome" and went with the house
> number instead.
>

>
> Sandra
>
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>
>
>



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harmony

>
> -=-Okay- slippery when wet- got it. I knew there was more to it than my
> sun-soaked brain could come up with at the moment.
>

What great timing for that question to come up. I just got home from my final class and I am now a lifeguard. As you probably remember from being a lifeguard, 90% of a lifeguards duty is prevention. I would rather tell a kid 200 times not to run than have to jump in and rescue him once.
Harmony

Lara Miller

So, now I am very embarrassed because once upon a time (15 years
ago?), I used to be a lifeguard instructor - I taught lifeguards! Oh
my...

Blessings,

Lara Miller
Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
http://www.mytripjournal.com/millerfamily
>
> What great timing for that question to come up. I just got home
> from my final class and I am now a lifeguard. As you probably
> remember from being a lifeguard, 90% of a lifeguards duty is
> prevention. I would rather tell a kid 200 times not to run than
> have to jump in and rescue him once.
> Harmony
>
>



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Nancy Wooton

On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Lara Miller wrote:

> I am turning into a lizard. Face cream, eye cream, face cream with
> SPF, lip moisturizer, body lotion, body oil, medicated lotion: I
> have them all. I have used them all. Nothing is working. I
> couldn’t even pull on my socks yesterday because my heels are so dry
> and frayed.


My mom lives in Banning, CA, but for a few years lived in nearby Palm
Springs and Palm Desert. She discovered a line of products that
actually worked, but the reason they worked is they are oil-based. If
you were fighting zits with non-oily stuff in the past, it may be time
to switch. Also, whatever you apply, put it on while your skin is
still wet from your shower; straight baby oil would be good, or Avon's
Skin So Soft. When you get ready for bed, coat your feet in Vaseline,
pull some comfortable socks over them, and if you can, do the same for
your hands with cotton gloves. I swear, the Vaseline on the hands
thing will cure your dry, cracked skin and nails overnight.

Another hand care tip I brought up during the dish-washing thread:
Scrub olive oil and salt all over your hands, rinse and dry, then coat
with a heavy cream like Nivea or Udder Balm, cover with rubber gloves,
then hand wash the dishes. This is how someone who works with horses
can clean and soften hands enough to also embroider with silk.

Nancy (in Santa Ana-dry San Diego :-)

Robin Bentley

You could try nasal irrigation with a neti pot, as a way to loosen
things up (and maybe avoid surgery?). I started using one as part of
an Ayurvedic routine, and it's really helped with my allergies. It can
take some patience to clear your sinuses, but it might be worth a try.
You can google how-to's and where to buy a neti pot, but here's an
overview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation

Robin B.

> I have a desert booger stuck in my nose also. I can’t see it, but I
> know it is there! A once moist blob of mucus has dehydrated to the
> point it has the likeness of charcoal; stuck in my nose. I am afraid
> surgery is my only option at this point.

[email protected]

Are you drinking enough Water and getting Fish oils?
How about trying some natural products that dont have a lot of unneeded and harmful chemicals?
I wash my face with a blend of Honey and apple cidar vinegar- about 1/3 C to 1 Tbsp. (making a decent consistency) This seems to help with some of the dryness.
Good luck, Every year i feel dryer too :)
~Laura

>From: Nancy Wooton <nancywooton@...>
>Date: 2008/03/11 Tue PM 11:17:25 CDT
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Dry skin care was Re: [AlwaysLearning] Running

>
>
>On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Lara Miller wrote:
>
>> I am turning into a lizard. Face cream, eye cream, face cream with

Pamela Sorooshian

On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:19 PM, harmony wrote:

> I would rather tell a kid 200 times not to run than have to jump in
> and rescue him once.

We have a pool and have always had lots of neighborhood kids around. I
learned from experience that it works WAY better to say "Walk" than to
say "Don't run." They get "walk" into their heads and they tend to
remember to do it.

-pam

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ENSEMBLE S-WAYNFORTH

-------------

I draped a washed sheet over our outdoor chairs to dry in the sun.
It was dry as soon as I turned around and reached the door. The
water was visible as it rapidly evaporated. I think we actually
created a cloud. Maybe if everyone dried their clothes outside on a
line, it wouldn’t be so dry out here. There would be clouds of
laundered moisture everywhere. "
-----------------

Ahh, so that explains why the UK has so much rain!

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com






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Sandra Dodd

-=-When you get ready for bed, coat your feet in Vaseline,
pull some comfortable socks over them,-=-

If you take showers instead of baths, throw a washcloth on the drain
so your feet can soak, and then put lotion on them and wear socks.
Socks and shoes can be more comfortable than sandals. Socks and
sandals--for all that young people deride it, it's a good combo for
older feet in the desert.

Sandra in New Mexico

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Sandra Dodd

-=-So, now I am very embarrassed because once upon a time (15 years
ago?), I used to be a lifeguard instructor - I taught lifeguards! Oh
my...-=-

But now you're looking at how to enable your kids to do more, and I
think the thought process can include reviewing every rule ever
learned non-analytically.

And maybe you're getting older. My husband is disturbed by getting
older. I'm fine with it. What I'm losing is spelling. I used to
spell very easily. Now I have to think and look things up
sometimes. I'm forgetting song lyrics a little bit. Not tunes yet.
If that comes I might be grumpy too.



Sandra

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Meghan Anderson-Coates

*****
I couldn’t even pull on my socks yesterday because my heels are so dry
and frayed.

*****

Eucerin foot cream is a little miracle in a tube :-)




Meghan

I can create what I can imagine. ~ Charlene Kingston


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Lori Mortimer

And let's not forget Bag Balm. It works for mama cows and for humans,
although I've never needed it for my udders, just my hands. ;-)

It's a bit stinky and oily, but it works well if you cover your hands/feet
after applying it. Do it at night and in the morning the skin condition
should have improved.

http://www.bagbalm.com/ <blocked::http://www.bagbalm.com/>

Lori


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Meghan Anderson-Coates
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Running



*****
I couldn't even pull on my socks yesterday because my heels are so dry
and frayed.

*****

Eucerin foot cream is a little miracle in a tube :-)



Meghan

I can create what I can imagine. ~ Charlene Kingston

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now.

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g-liberatedlearning

> We use Lansinoh -- lanolin for nursing mothers. It's expensive but
> highly effective!
>


> Chris in IA
>


The Unzone
>
>
> *****
> I couldn't even pull on my socks yesterday because my heels are so dry
> and frayed.
>
> *****
>
> Eucerin foot cream is a little miracle in a tube :-)
>
>


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jenstarc4

>I learned from experience that it works WAY better to say "Walk" than
to
> say "Don't run."

I try to do that with everything. I ask or tell someone what I want
rather than ask or tell what I don't want.

That was a really hard habit to break, it took lots of prethougt. For
a long time I would say "don't run" then I would rethink that
emmediately and say "walk". I did that often enough where telling
someone to "walk" started coming first.

That is one of those mindshift things that unschoolers talk about.

Lara Miller

Yes, Sandra, that is just where I was yesterday. We have spent the
last several years questioning everything. For us, this has gone
beyond just the unschooling area as well. Sometimes we feel like a
bunch of three year olds with the never-ending "WHY???". Why do we
have to send our children to school? Why do our kids need to be in
so many activities? Why do we have to live in a 4br/2.5ba house?
Why do we have to have a mortgage? Why do we have to have a 401k?
Why do we have to visit our family on holidays? What exactly defines
success? Why can't my kids climb on those rocks? I feel like we
have really pulled back and put almost everything in our lives to the
question test. There are some very valid answers for many of the
questions and we realized that we were doing the best thing all
along, but in lots of the questions, we realized there was a better
way, but it required purposeful thought and stepping outside of "the
box". I have found it to be quite transformative and an excellent
way to expand my mind and thoughts.

So yesterday, for me to keep on saying "don't run" just didn't seem
right. I agree that "walk" is a much better use of my words. But I
began questioning the "why". Is there really more danger at a pool
than other concrete places or was it just one of those "pool rule"
things. And I got a very great answer: slippery when wet.

I want to protect my children from any harm, but realize there is a
certain amount of physical knowledge one can only learn through
experience. And yes, my youngest has gotten concrete scrapes before,
but that didn't seem to be in his memory yesterday. I don't mean the
sick sort of "oh yeah, well that will teach you to run on concrete"
type of parenting, but the kind that allows children to push their
own physical boundaries to see what they are capable of. I find
myself often split between wanting to shout "wait, don't do that, you
are going to get hurt" and whispering under my breath, "yes, go
ahead, you can do it, I know you can". Climbing on rocks and
swimming in the ocean come immediately to mind.

Blessings,

Lara Miller
Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
http://www.mytripjournal.com/millerfamily
>
> But now you're looking at how to enable your kids to do more, and I
> think the thought process can include reviewing every rule ever
> learned non-analytically.
>
> And maybe you're getting older. My husband is disturbed by getting
> older. I'm fine with it. What I'm losing is spelling. I used to
> spell very easily. Now I have to think and look things up
> sometimes. I'm forgetting song lyrics a little bit. Not tunes yet.
> If that comes I might be grumpy too.
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Lara Miller

Yes, I will do the neti pot. I haven't used it in about 2 weeks,
just before we got to the desert. I use it for well-care and guess I
never thought of using it to help moisturize my nasal passage. I
have always lived on the east coast and moisture has never been a
problem there!

Blessings,

Lara Miller
Currently in Black Canyon City, AZ!
http://www.mytripjournal.com/millerfamily




On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Robin Bentley wrote:

> You could try nasal irrigation with a neti pot, as a way to loosen
> things up (and maybe avoid surgery?). I started using one as part of
> an Ayurvedic routine, and it's really helped with my allergies. It can
> take some patience to clear your sinuses, but it might be worth a try.
> You can google how-to's and where to buy a neti pot, but here's an
> overview.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation
>
> Robin B.
>
>
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Sandra Dodd

-=-Why do we have to have a 401k? -=-

WHOA. Keep the 401k.
And get more life insurance. Seriously.

-=-There are some very valid answers for many of the
questions and we realized that we were doing the best thing all
along, but in lots of the questions, we realized there was a better
way, but it required purposeful thought and stepping outside of "the
box". I have found it to be quite transformative and an excellent
way to expand my mind and thoughts.-=-

Yes. And "because I said so" was never worth a damn, as reasons go,
except it was often backed up by threat of (or delivery of) spankings.

So those people who decide their new rules will be the opposite of
mom's old rules are

1) not thinking clearly, and

2) still letting mom run their lives, only in the reactionary/
negative way.

Sandra




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